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From: "Shoaib" <shahnor@aitlbd.net>
Date sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 11:45:07 -0500
Subject: Security Issues in Remote Mountain Areas

Thanks to Dr. Seth Sicroff for his elaborate explanation on "SECURITY ISSUES RELATED TO TOURISM IN REMOTE MOUNTAINOUS DESTINATIONS".

I like to join the discussion: Firstly I think we can define 'Security issues in remote mountains'. Because there are some tourists who face the visit as too much adventurous. In that case no one can track them to secure their journey.

May I propose the security issues related to hazards due to

1. Biophysical conditions of the area.
2. The tourist himself/herself
3. Social situations

1. Biophysical conditions of the area.
If the area is physically fragile, with erratic climatic condition, earthquake and other physico-structural vulnerability it will be wise to consider those hazards during trekking. Tourists may be advised not to be too adventurous and not to be obsessed with getting into the Guinness Book of World Records.

2. The tourist himself should be physically and mentally fit. They must go thorugh some process to determine whether they are fit for this situation or not.

3. Local invasions or insurgencies are sometimes not suitable for tourists. It is in most cases unpredictable like earthquake or any other physical hazard.

Shoaib

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Moderator's comments

1) Shoaib seems to favor erring on the side of prudence. One question to consider is: who should impose the restraint? Should there be no parks in seismically or volcanically active regions? Should trekkers be evaluated on their fitness before being granted permits to visit rough terrain?

2) In recent years, a new trend has been identified: "disaster tourism." In Lijiang (Yunnan Province, China), international tourism arrivals seem to have rebounded quite rapidly after the 1996 earthquake despite continuing tremors, as people flocked to see the destruction for themselves. Any thoughts on this phenomenon?

-Seth Sicroff


From: "Empar Alos Alabajos" <empar@lycos.com>
Date sent: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 12:38:28 -0500
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Security and the A-factor

The first effort to reduce the level of Tsho Rolpa waters and mitigate the GLOF hazard involved the use of hi-tech pipes contributed by the Dutch company Wavin (with other support from the Netherlands). While we have no official information from the managers of this project, we have always suspected that a contributing factor was theft of these very distinctive pipes -- which we have seen used for a variety of purposes other than those intended.

Theft of pipes is actually something of a tradition in these remote areas. The pipeline draped over the Khunde ridge in the late seventies or early 80s was stolen by locals, and Ang Tsering, the pradhan panch (local representative) tried for years to recover it so that the project could be finished. There was no secret as to who had the pipe, but there was no way to force their return.

For years, we at Bridges-PRTD have agonized over what we call the "A-Factor": that much of what developers attempt to do on behalf of local people is foiled due to the greed and malice of local individuals. Here are a few little examples.

In 2000, we posted trail signs on a confusing stretch of the path from Simigaon to Beding. These were quickly removed by locals who considered any enhancement of trekker security to be a threat to their livelihood as guides.

We have been informed by a colleague who was doing research in Rolwaling during the 1970s that guides who were leading groups over Tashi Laptsa often robbed their clients and left them. She believes that this practice lead to the closing of Rolwaling Valley to general tourism -- a decision for which we have never heard any other plausible explanation.

Those who have read Sir Edmund Hillary's accounts of his early efforts to help the Sherpas, as well as accounts by others of travels in Tibet and elsewhere, will be familiar with the A-Factor. Paradoxically, it seems to attenuate over the years. I will not try to explain how this occurs.

In any case, all is not sweetness and light in mountain villages. I think that we as developers are hiding our heads in the sand if we pretend that the only hazards out there are natural, and that reasonable solutions will always prevail.

Empar Alos
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MODERATOR'S COMMENTS

Empar Alos and I have been collaborating since 1999, and we have discussed this issue repeatedly... but never publicly. Maybe this is as good a time as any to bring it out in the open. No rotten tomatoes, please! -Seth Sicroff


Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 23:13:12 -0700 (PDT)
Author: Janya Sang-Arun <janyasangarun@yahoo.com>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Re: Security Issues in Remote Mountain Areas

May I discuss as a tourist?. I think the 3 basic conditions of Shoaib are exactly right. When I decide to travel, I will consider the security condition. I think tourism is a kind of business. The seller must take care of the customer. If the caring provided by the seller is not good, we do not need to buy it. If we buy, we have to accept the condition.

I have questions, what is the meaning of adventurous travel? If we do adventurous travel for ourselves, why we request the indigenous people to care of us? Are we selfish or are they selfish?

In another way, what is the effect of traveller on pure natural resources? I think the uncomfortable travel is a side for protecting pure nature of that land. Often, I found that well develop mountain for welcoming of tourists is not attractive and rapidly destroy the nature.

Janya SANG-ARUN
The University of Tokyo, Japan
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MODERATOR'S COMMENTS

I believe Janya's comments bear on two different premises. The point of the first paragraph is that the tourism provider (or host) should offer a quality product, and let the buyer beware. To this, I would answer that locally-provided services cannot be judged in advance -- unless you are talking about "quality tourism" arranged by agencies with international reputations -- in which case you are accepting a great amount of economic leakage.

The other two paragraphs bear on a different point: that adventure tourists (in particular) do not want all amenities and all safeguards to be arranged for them. They prefer authenticity, and some measure of hardship and exposure.

So what is to be done? Can a given destination accommodate both middle-age couch potatoes out for a quick tour -- and a glimpse of Mt. Everest -- as well as young bucks determined to test their own limits? Can security be optional? -Seth Sicrof


Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:42:19 -0700
Author: Lhakpa Sherpa <lsherpa@mountain.org>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Re: Security and the A-factor

I appreciated the honest sharing of the experiences. Working with local people is often easier said than done. However, I have a strong feeling that the problems mentioned Empar Alos may be results of failure to get local participation and support. Participatory planning methods, although time consuming, can protect projects against such people-induced hazards.

Dr. Lhakpa N. Sherpa
Shigatse, Tibet
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Empar Alos wrote:

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...Theft of pipes is actually something of a tradition in these remote areas. The pipeline draped over the Khunde ridge in the late seventies or early 80s was stolen by locals, and Ang Tsering, the pradhan panch (local representative) tried for years to recover it so that the project could be finished. There was no secret as to who had the pipe, but there was no way to force their return.

For years, we at Bridges-PRTD have agonized over what we call the "A-Factor": that much of what developers attempt to do on behalf of local people is foiled due to the greed and malice of local individuals. Here are a few little examples.

In 2000, we posted trail signs on a confusing stretch of the path from Simigaon to Beding. These were quickly removed by locals who considered any enhancement of trekker security to be a threat to their livelihood as guides....

[CLIP]


Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 09:14:11 -0400
Author: Layton Montgomery <layton@mtnforum.org>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Re: Security and the A-factor

Dear Empar,

Your message seems to identify mountain people and local social conditions and social structures as a potential problem for mountain tourism, and for development in general.

The underlying perspective here seems to be that outsiders who have more advanced knowledge and materials, and who want to help such mountain communities should listen to their benefactors and do as they say. This puts these people in the position of being the objects of development instead of the subjects of development. These are their communities, not ours. Certainly there are unscrupulous trekking guides in Nepal, just as there are unscrupulous business people everywhere in the world. In general, tourists are much, much safer with trekking guides in remote and unfamiliar areas than they are trekking alone. The same as anywhere else, one needs to exercise caution and do the work to find out which is a reputable company if one does not want to risk being taken advantage of. The problem for tourists in such places as Nepal is that some think that everybody is "sweetness and light", as you put it, and ignore their normal reservations about whom they might do business with. I know of a couple instances of Nepalis being taken advantage of in dealing with businesses in Western countries for just this same reason. They assumed that all business people in the West were honest (something they would NEVER do in Nepal), and so they did not bother to check on the reputability of the individuals/companies with which they were interacting. The result was that they lost money and personal possessions, and were unable to get them back. This is an area in which tourist organizations must do more to educate tourists. The Nepal government is making efforts to inform tourists of things to be careful of.

A second difference in trekking areas in Nepal, as opposed to, say the United States, is that people live in the areas where trekkers go. Nobody is allowed to live in National Parks in the US, so trekkers do not need to factor such interactions into their plans. Such is not the case in Nepal, though, and this needs to be taken into account by trekkers. They are vacationing by foot in populated areas, and the same caution needs to be exercised as when one visits any other populated area in the world while on vacation. Again, I would ultimately put the onus on the trekker, but suggest that travel, tour and trekking companies, as well as the governments in question do their best to inform trekkers as to the risks that exist.

If Rolwaling really wants tourism, the local government and business community need to work with trekking agencies and tour operators to set up a reliable system for tourists.

If they are not so interested, it is not their job to cater to foreigners who want to visit there. It is their decision to make. If foreigners decide to go there anyway, they must be aware that they do so at their own risk. To the credit of the government of Nepal, they took the proactive step of closing off the area to trekkers when it seemed that it was an unsafe area for this activity. This is a positive step, not a negative one. The Nepal government is only allowing trekkers to go to areas where there are facilities that can support the trekkers during their visit.

As to the stolen pipes, the Dutch company should have done their research to find out what would be sustainable in the local socio-economic context. A parallel: It could be very useful to put televisions in remote areas of national parks in the US that would alert trekkers to weather patterns.

We would not do so, though, without making sure that they were somehow tamper-proof. Otherwise it would be the park staff that would look like fools when they were stolen, not the local community. Pipes may not be as valuable as TV's but the level of value is a relative variable, not an absolute one, and development organizations need to take this into consideration when putting in place hardware or equipment as part of a development project.

Layton Montgomery

Executive Secretary
Mountain Forum
http://www.mtnforum.org
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MODERATOR'S COMMENTS

Mr. Montgomery places the onus for security problems on the benefactor or the victim. This reaction is one of the main reasons that Empar and I have never discussed the A-factor publicly.

When we first started working in Rolwaling, we were surprised to find that Eco Himal, which has a "Rolwaling Ecotourism Project," basically had nothing going on in Rolwaling Valley; instead they were focussing on the gateway region, particularly the Tamba Valley. When we asked Max Petrik, the manager of the Rolwaling Ecotourism Project (whose office is in Singate, three days' walk from Rolwaling proper) why there was so little being done in Rolwaling, he said, "They fight all the time."  We witnessed some.

Would anybody care to corroborate -- or contradict -- or impression that there is a tendency for this A-factor to diminish over time?

-Seth Sicroff


Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 22:20:42 -0700 (PDT)
Author: Janya Sang-Arun <janyasangarun@yahoo.com>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Re: Security and the A-factor

I also agree with Lhakpa Sherpa that working with local people is often easier said than done. However, we have to pay attention and induce their understanding on the beneficial of the development project and their quality of life. In addition, local leaders are also disrupt our activities both by against or neglect. Therefore, in this case, I consider that if we make good agreement on cooperative ownership of the project, this problem might be decreased. They stole any equipment from the developer because they do not thing it is their responsibility to this project. Social force is very important for any sustainability development. Furthermore, we have to accept that to work with local people is really spending lot of time. But we have to do if we think of them as a part or a target for development. Psychology and human behavior is also important for development projects.

Janya SANG-ARUN
The University of Tokyo, Japan
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Lhakpa Sherpa <lsherpa@mountain.org> wrote:

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..Working with local people is often easier said than done. However, I have a strong feeling that the problems mentioned Empar Alos may be results of failure to get local participation and support. Participatory planning methods,   although time consuming, can protect projects against such people-induced hazards...

[CLIP]
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Moderator's Comments

Janya Sang-Arun expands the security issue, implicating not just isolated individuals but also community leadership. Embezzlement is clearly a problem. Obviously, it will help to convince everybody of the benefits of any development program. But it is equally important to identify sources of ill-will that may override any concern for the common welfare. In 1999, we witnessed an assault by the chair of the Beding (Rolwaling) Village Development Committee on another villager in which one of the causes of hostility was the villager's assertion that the VDC chair had pocketed 10,000 rupees contributed by Eco Himal to pay for trail improvement (a key security issue for both locals and tourists). The VDC chair was also angry at the other villager for attempting to pass himself off as a special friend (or even local representative) of Eco Himal. In this case, there was a long history of a hard-drinking mountain community. Any participatory development plan that fails to unearth and take into account the kind of long-festering feuds that develop in isolated communities will probably run into trouble. A key point mentioned by Sang-Arun is that "we have to accept that to work with local people is really spending lot of time." You cannot just give money and disappear.

Although there is a risk of "muddying the water" by reporting on inappropriate conduct, I believe that we will not make much progress until we admit the scope of this problem, and squarely face a factor that is in large measure responsible for the remarkable inefficiencies and unexpected failures in development. Focusing on ignorant benefactors and imprudent victims may go part of the way toward providing answers, but the whole truth is a lot messier.

Further thoughts, anybody?

-Seth Sicroff


Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 02:22:05 -0700
Author: "Marcia O'Neill" <moneill1975@hotmail.com>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Mountain tourism & security

My name is Marsha, and I am currently visiting Nepal for the second time. I came last fall, but didn't plan on trekking due to reports of terrorist activity. After coming to Nepal, I found that it was not at all as dangerous as I understood from US State Dept travel advisories and news reports -- at least, not for tourists.

One thing I would like to say is that I think it is terrible for everybody to stay away from a country just because of a few incidents; that means that we tourists do all the work for the terrorists, by destroying the economy ... while they can pretend they never intended to harm the tourism industry.

As everybody knows, there are now supposed to be peace talks in Nepal, so perhaps the situation will improve. But right now, there are not enough tourists to go around.

That's fine for us... all of the hotels have un-fixed their prices -- but on the other hand the shop-keepers and street hawkers are so desperate, so insistent, that it is uncomfortable to walk around in some areas. Although still not as bad as India!

Last week I did the ABC trek to Annapurna Base Camp, without any security trouble at all. I have thought about what Empar Alos Albalajos said about the A-factor, and I don't see how it affected my security, although I heard some pretty sad stories about lack of cooperation among villagers, and many disturbing things about the competition between lodges, so it doesn't surprise me. If porters or guides were stealing from tourists, or worse, it wouldn't have to be very common to still become a MAJOR problem. It seems like every little incident -- things we wouldn't even pay attention to in Chicago (where I come from) -- every little thing becomes much more serious when you are thousands of miles from home and worried about being able to catch your next flight for wherever.

About Shaoib's letter, I just want to say that I went to a Catholic high school where there was a policy of "in loco parentis" - which means that the teachers and everybody think they should be taking the place of parents - and I do NOT want to continue living with parental authority everywhere. What next? Will they advise me to take an umbrella in the monsoon? However, it is a good idea to share information about dangers, and I think there are two security risks that people should pay more attention to in Nepal. One is the risk of falling off trails. I saw a guy almost fall in a place where he would have gotten killed... because he was backing up to compose a photo of Fish Tail mountain (Machchapuchare).

And I have heard of people getting in big trouble by trying to take a short cut and leaving a trail. The other thing is the danger of dehydration. It seems like people never carry enough water... they don't understand how the combination of altitude and dry air can result in dehydration very quickly. Sometimes I wonder how many of those helicopters I kept hearing were on their way to rescue people who thought one liter of water should get them through the day.

Well, enough for now. I really wish I could join you all at the Namche Conference, but I don't want to have to pay for another visa extension. (What a crazy system!!)

Marsha O'Neill
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MODERATOR'S COMMENTS

Marsha O'Neill raises several pertinent points. First, security is an economic issue for the host community and host nation; the economic costs or perceived danger may in fact be grossly disproportional to the actual danger.

Another issue is the importance of information. It seems that there is such a focus on altitude sickness in some areas that people forget the more pedestrian perils. Is there a solution?

Lastly, there is a quality-of-life issue here. Many people, especially the type who will travel half-way around the world to trek in the Himalayas, simply do not want the assistance of parental surrogates. Is it possible to have both security and solitude? -Seth Sicroff


Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2003 20:34:33 -0500
Author: "Alka Sabharwal" <sabharwalalka@hotmail.com>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Security issues and national regulatory institutions

I would like to discuss the role of national/local regulatory bodies and institutions in providing security to the porters and visitors. We can briefly look at what they do , whether it is effective and if such institutions are necessary, and if yes ,what can be suggested to make them more useful in the present context. For example the Indian Mountaineering Foundation (IMF) is a national organization responsible to regulate mountaineering activities in the country. It collects the peak fees and helps the expeditions get customs and security clearances from the government. It provides a base for expeditions in New Delhi and coordinates rescue operations with competent organizations during crisis situations. IMF also is required to ensure adherence to environmental guidelines and porter welfare by the expeditions. Indian Law requires the expeditions to be accompanied by a Liason Officer who is a trained mountaineer and is supposed to assist the team with issues of transport, porters and rescue operations. Besides the peak fee the IMF charges the expeditions a fee for providing equipment for the LO and an environmental levy. The peak booking procedure also talks about insurance of the expedition staff and the porters. The IMF also has an approved panel of travel agents/tour operators to handle expeditions.

Conceptually all these systems are in place- they function in varying degrees of efficiency. Porter insurance is not looked into seriously and neither is availability of proper equipment to porters. It is left to the discretion of the expedition to provide whatever protective gear and food for porters that it sees fit. or is able to negotiate. Porter rescues are also usually not high on the priority of institutions or expeditions. The environmental guidelines are also not strictly enforced.

If tourism or its benefits are required to reach local communities and people then what kind of management and systems should these national level institutions have. Are these national bodies of any help and can they be so. Their regulatory frameworks are narrow and do not have a real connection with local mountain regions or contexts. It is also not clear if the money generated by these institutions actually reaches the porters for their security or their environment .It would be interesting to see how influenced their policies are by commercial interests of big tour operators as against being friendly to benefits of expeditions reaching local communities.

Alka Sabharwal
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Moderator's Comments:

In some respects, Ms Sabharwal's comments bear on the topic for Session III (April 12-16: "Management systems: parks, protected areas, community-based development"). Security is, obviously, an essential element of tourism management.

Without getting too much into the various management models, perhaps we can consider what exactly do we (tourists and hosts) expect for our admission fee (or trekking permit) ... and how do we know we're getting it? -Seth Sicroff


Date: Tue, 08 Apr 2003 20:15:51 -0700
Author: Lhakpa Sherpa <lsherpa@mountain.org>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Search and Rescue Team for Visitor Safety

Dr. Sicroff summarized the hazards in the mountains. These risks are real in mountains of Nepal. I would like to share my thoughts about improving visitor safety in the Khumbu and other mountain areas of Nepal. There is a great need for a well trained and efficient mountain rescue squad. This can be organized in Khumbu by training the local mountain guides in SAR techniques, first aid, and communication. A roster of a well-trained group of local climbers could be maintained and can be called on duty turn by turn during the tourist season. These guides are already familiar with mountain terrain, accustomed to the high altitude and are tough. With an effective organizational and management support, they can provide a very useful service not only within Khumbu but other mountain area as well. This is and idea that has been already discussed among interested Khumbu climbers. Everest heros such as Appa and Ang Rita Sherpa are willing to take part. My main concern is the long-term viability of such an organization. Funds will be needed to cover costs of initial establishment of SAR base, on-site refresher trainings, purchase of special equipment, management, and costs of rescue operations. What are the ways to ensure financial sustainability of such an organization? Your thoughts and advice would be valuable.

Dr. Lhakpa N. Sherpa
Shigatse, Tibet Autonomous Region
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MODERATOR'S COMMENTS

Dr. Sherpa proposes a useful but costly program. Even in the Khumbu, the wealthiest region in the High Himalayas, sustainability would bequestionable -- although the logical source of funding would be all those mega-bucks collected in climbing fees and park entrance fees. What about other destinations? -Seth Sicroff


Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2003 11:57:37 +0500
Author: Ghazi Alam <GAlam@HaglerBailly.com.pk>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: RE: Security and the A-factor

Having trekked in the Himalayan and Hindukush regions of Pakistan as well as being involved in a number of development projects in these areas, I have come across many instances of the "A-Factor", which Empar mentions.

However, I agree with Layton Montgomery, that the onus lies on the trekkers and developers in these regions; to educate, inform and enlighten the locals with reference to the whatever activity is being carried out in their region and involve them in such a way that it gives them a stake in the success/ failure of that activity. Governments too can play a major role in this. In my travels I have noticed that though the local communities might be largely uneducated, they are certainly not dumb. Most are very aware of their rights (in most cases, more so than communities in the plains), perhaps because of their exposure to previous development efforts and know how to extract the most, for personal/community gain, out of any activity being carried out. I have however noticed a lot of divisions amongst communities themselves and this hampers any development (and increases risks) in these regions.

For example, the Astor community in the Deosai National Park is not on very good terms with the Bobind community also in the same park and anyone (tourists for example) associating with one is automatically looked on with suspicion and mistrust by the other.

Incidents like theft/mugging by locals are very rare and certainly are not as prevalent as in more developed regions. I think the human threat to tourists in these regions is minimal. Natural disasters (earthquakes) and in some cases wildlife (such as the brown bears of deosai) would pose a much bigger danger. and mitigating these dangers has to invlove the local communities as participants on an equal footing.

More importantly, mitigating such risks in these regions needs to be done for the locals first. This would translate in to safety for tourists as well. If we start with the tourist as the subject needing protection, we risk isolating and marginalizing the locals and will have doomed right from the start any serious, sustainable efforts to provide security to tourists as well.

Ghazi Alam
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MODERATOR'S COMMENTS

Ghazi Alam acknowledges the occurrence of "A-Factor" impact, but concurs with Layton Montgomery in placing the onus lies on trekkers and developers. He also raises the issue of natural hazards, such as earthquake and attack by wild animals, and suggests that the mitigation of these problems should be a higher priority than protection of tourists from mugging and other security risks affecting only tourists.

My question is: what exactly can be done to mitigate the danger of earthquake and bear attack?

-Seth Sicroff


Date: Wed, 09 Apr 2003 10:42:53 +0545
Author: NS Jodha <njodha@icimod.org.np>
Subject: [PPMT]S2: Mountain Tourism: Security and other Issues

While talking of mountain tourism an important reality often ignored is that it is a derived function of increased prosperity of areas/ countries/ communities out side mountain regions. If the rest of the world is poorer due to economic recession or wars etc. or feels insecure for a variety of reasons, they will have low priority to excursion. The recognition of this supply side factor is clear from the bulk of tourism related publicity focused to rich countries.

How much share of "excursion budget" of well off outsiders the mountain areas can get depends on the demand side factors ie. the facilities, security etc. about which several participants have posted the messages.

In view of the above, can one hypothesize that "the progress of mountain tourism is a direct function of global (and mountain areas' internal) prosperity".

N.S. Jodha, Policy Analyst
ICIMOD, Kathmandu
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Moderator's Comments

N.S. Jodha reminds us that security is a many-layered onion. As the remote mountainous tourism destination is at the end of the line, in terms of exposure, any risk at all between the country of origin of the prospective tourist and the end-destination communities will have a significant economic impact.

Perhaps it is time to begin treating the remote destination as part of an interconnected economy, and to think about methods of risk distribution. What can individual entrepreneurs and community-based tourism associations do to mitigate economic exposure during times of shrinking market? How about some kind of globalised insurance system for tourism enterprises that would provide a safety net (and prevent default on loans and mortgages), but also require members to work out local systems to avoid over-investment, price undercutting, and other behavior that exacerbates the economic risk? Any other ideas? -Seth Sicroff


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